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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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749 for the 12th of February 2023

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Richard Saunders coming to you from

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Oregon Oregon in the United States yes

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I'm back in the United States to take

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care of some bits and pieces and while

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I'm here I thought I'd take the

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opportunity to visit my old friend Brian

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Dunning up here in Oregon coming up on

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next week's show I chat to Brian about

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his latest documentary the UFO movie

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they don't want you to see but

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specifically about his experience whilst

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filming

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getting hypothermia anyway that's coming

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up on next week's show on this week's

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Show Adrian Hill interviews Susan

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gerbick about some online workshops

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she's doing which you can take part in

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and this is all about how to be well to

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be a better skeptic how to communicate

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with other people how to react how to

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become the person that people come to

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when they have questions about weird

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things find out more coming up at the

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top of the show after that I catch up

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with my dear friend Dr siobhano

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Sutherland in Sydney an interview I

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conducted a few days ago before I flew

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out now bear in mind it's summer in

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Sydney and it's a stinking hot summer

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indeed and the cicadas were very loud

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you'll hear those

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but more importantly I talked to Siobhan

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about ovarian cancer awareness and she

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fills us in on her later stage in her

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journey shall we say

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with ovarian cancer

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then it's the Australian Skeptics

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newsletter written by Tim Mendham and

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read by Adrian Hill and speaking of Tim

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Mendham we round off this week's episode

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with the book of Tim

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and Tim as part two of his story ticks

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and tactics all about superstitions in

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sport now if you look on this week's

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show notes you'll also notice that 10

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years ago on the skeptic Zone episode

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number 225 on the 10th of February 2013

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Penny Chan our reporter at the time went

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to Hong Kong to look at some woo we have

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a look at the honest liar ten years ago

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hard to believe the amazing Randy story

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Maynard has a chat with Ben Newsome who

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is at the time the director of the

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science outreach program

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physics education

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and also Maynard ends up at Skeptics in

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the pub to ask the pub goes about

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intuition

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now I must admit speaking of

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stinking hot Sydney Australia I do like

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coming to this part of the world in

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wintertime up here in Oregon and when I

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stepped off the plane and that cold

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blanket of air hit me it was

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shall we say bracing

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but I know it's not everybody's cup of

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tea some people really do prefer the

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warmer weather the hot stinking Summers

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just having a nice relaxing weekend and

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enjoying the the Pleasant weather maybe

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you're in the Arctic Circle no matter

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where you are thank you for listening to

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the skeptic Zone and I hope you enjoy

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this week's episode but now it's time

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for me to creep out of the room tiptoe

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to the fridge Brian dunning's fridge

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maybe I'll find some nice American

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cheese well I do that I hope you enjoy

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with Adrian Hill

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Canada and it's rather cold outside

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right now though sunny and I have a very

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special guest today and it is Susan

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California yet pretty sunny over here hi

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Adrian great to see you hi hi skeptic

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Zone listeners so Susan the reason that

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I have asked to talk to you is because

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workshops in in your area that are

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really about critical thinking and how

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to talk to somebody who has issues with

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maybe some pseudoscience or some

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non-scientific beliefs can you tell me a

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little bit about them

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sure Adrian thanks for asking so we

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themselves they learned something and

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they wanted me to actually do more so I

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decided I was going to roll these out

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online as well the goal of it was

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through a conversation I had with Center

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for inquiry which I am an ambassador for

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we're trying to get people to come from

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outside of their shells you know to

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start coming out in person again and try

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to you know interact with each other and

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speaker but instead of listening to a

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lecture where they're mostly sitting

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thoughts and learn something from it so

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them out and I understand you have three

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different workshops planned to date can

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bodies and then realizing that it might

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have something to do with the UFOs okay

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and that is discussing what it means to

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luck is that based on Richard wiseman's

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work yes this wonderful work the luck

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people haven't read it I highly

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to four people to show up which I was

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music too you've done two because I was

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of a mind about this whole thing Adrian

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five people it was nice because we had

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each thing that we had to discuss and

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drinking bleach or something like that

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but it is something that will May harm

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them in the long run you know a belief

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about not seeking out great medical care

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something like that it's not necessarily

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going to harm them immediately so how do

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want to be trusted you want to have them

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reach out to you whenever they feel like

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they've had some kind of you know hey

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with me and and honest with me and you

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photograph where I saw this video that

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was really strange about UFOs you know

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what do you think of it and that's what

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you're trying to do is you're trying to

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have that conversation with him so that

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you can have better conversations with

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them you're trying to also try to see it

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the way where you could allow them to

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come to the conclusions themselves so

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they can say face so that they can

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setting them up for looking like they're

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stupid or something like that so your

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immediate reaction is like no way this

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like that wouldn't be a way to carry the

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conversation on that would just cut it

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short right and that would be the end of

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that conversation with that person they

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probably would never come to you again

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belief that might be more dangerous so

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cross our arms roll our eyes Huff you

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we're trying to do that so what I do in

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the workshop is I start out with a

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scenario and it changes depending on the

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workshop of what it is that your friend

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this fictional friend of yours is coming

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to you and trying to explain to you the

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first one is about some burn marks they

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find on their body and then the workshop

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breaks out where you have to discuss

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that and then it escalates a little

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further where your friend has said oh I

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actually found this video and they think

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that the burn marks are tied to UFOs and

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that somehow you're being zapped with

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these burn marks so then the workshop

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you discuss how would you handle that

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and then you come back with okay now I

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found this article by

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Mick West that is explaining this in

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other words a debunking article and so

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how do you come back to your friend and

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explain okay well I looked up your video

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and I found this interesting article by

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Mick West how do you present that video

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to your friend without looking like a

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naysayer how do you keep the

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conversation going and so in these

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workshops that we're putting on there's

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no real right answer

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we're trying to just have conversations

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with each other and learning best

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practices how to not have those bad

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rolling your eyes and and saying things

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that make the person feel silly but

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having long kinds of conversations

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but we're having a conversations to try

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to get people to have better

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conversations

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I'm really glad that you're going to do

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more than one Workshop because I think

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we need to do this over and over again

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this is not something you take one

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two-hour workshop and now we're good to

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go and we can talk to anybody I think

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these workshops are really valuable

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because we're bringing people back

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together I've set up these workshops so

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that people can just like I say they can

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design them however they want uh change

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them however they want it could be in a

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place where you have a PowerPoint

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computer screen or maybe where you don't

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have all that what we're trying to do is

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find those people who want to be

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organizers and they can approach me on

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Facebook or Susan gerbick gmail.com

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and I'll be happy to help them with the

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workshops I'll be happy to give them all

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my notes and my slideshows and and train

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them to be able to do these in person

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because we want them to bring these back

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to their own communities and I'm happy

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to work with anybody who can maybe get

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together six to ten people that they

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guarantee will be able to show up for a

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zoom event I'll be happy to work any

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hours the whatever day that works out

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for their group

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so regarding your photography background

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you've mentioned to me before that you

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really believe that that background has

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helped you to become the skeptical

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activist that you've become today and I

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think there's a lot of untapped

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potential that is out there yeah and you

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know what I'm really glad you brought

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this up Adrian because you know I love I

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love this piece that you did on Harriet

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Hall and um it was really really

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emotional the the little clip you gave

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about how she helped you out or whatever

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you needed an article for the migraine

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Community yep and when I was first

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starting out I was an attendee I was a

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person who just kind of hung out in the

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background I was extremely intimidated

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by all the people around me who had

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degrees because at the time I didn't

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even have my ba everybody seemed to know

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what they were doing and all the

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speakers like I said had all these

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letters after their names and it took a

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long time for me to realize that I had

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skills that were skills that other

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people didn't have necessarily and

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that's something else I learned about

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Harriet Hall the same thing she'd never

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ever written anything for publishing she

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went as a passive skeptic she was a

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doctor she was a colonel in the Air

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Force she was a flight surgeon a pilot

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she had a lot of really great skills but

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she didn't realize that those things

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interpreted into our community so well

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and once she

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started interacting with people and

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people encouraged her to start writing

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she realized she had the skill she

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didn't she didn't know she had before

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right yeah so that's what I'm trying to

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tell the people here who are listening

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today is that you have probably have

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skills that could be used in our

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community developing websites writing

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music or creating means creating

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t-shirts I mean there's so much skill in

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our community that's untapped yeah it's

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just waiting to have somebody say look

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your skills are valuable please show up

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please step up and come and help us in

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some way I might not know exactly where

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you're going to fit in at but try step

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up and that's what Harriet Hall did is

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she absolutely became part of our

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community because she saw the need for

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somebody to write uh you know to be one

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of those people who's writing quality

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articles about odd medical things that

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nobody else was really writing about and

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she had a knee same with my skills I

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didn't see it at all it took a very long

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time to realize I was okay with cutting

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chops

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that's a skill that you didn't realize I

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had it's actually something that's

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useful

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very important skill and you all the

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skill how to run a meeting of people who

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like to run on and run on and run on

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like I'm doing right now

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there's a lot going on and but I need to

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do is find more of these kinds of people

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and I think these workshops will help I

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hope so find those people and if you

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can't fit into one of the times that I

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have then will ask me to set up another

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one and I will happily do that at

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whatever time of the day it is if I have

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to get up at three in the morning I

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won't do it for Australian yeah or not

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go to sleep so that I can do one at

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three in the morning so that we can put

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up a workshop to bring it to whatever

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Community you have a hundred percent I

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think that's a great way to finish and

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thank you so much for your time Susan

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but before we go can you again if you

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kind of mentioned it earlier but please

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say again how we can contact you okay

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okay so I would send anybody who's

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interested in learning it more about

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these workshops to go to Facebook and

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look at the Susan gerbick Facebook page

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or the About Time Project Facebook page

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if you don't use Facebook then just

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contact me by email Susan gerbeck

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gmail.com and I'll be happy to just have

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a conversation with you and we can put

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something together or I will give you

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the links so that you can join because

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it's all happening over Zoom right at

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the moment unless of course you want me

447
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to come and do it in person but you know

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that's logistically might be a problem

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we'll see

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well thanks so much Susan until next

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oh Russ yeah oh I'm glad I found you in

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line these clouds are really freaking me

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out I hate having to stand in line and

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boy these giraffes do not smell good no

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they do not and they have such short

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necks but I'm hearing we need to get on

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this side gotta get on the ark it's

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about to rain God is about to destroy

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Humanity

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he oh sorry sorry are you Noah yeah I

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know we look like humans but we're

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actually yes we're podcasters we are

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podcasters so it's different have you

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heard of oh no Ross and Carrie we

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investigate spirituality claims of the

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Paranormal stuff like that and you have

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a boat and say the world's gonna end so

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seem like something for us to check out

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we would love to be on the boat we came

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two by two what do you think owner Ross

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thank you

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foreign

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[Music]

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cancer awareness week or month Dr

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Siobhan O'Sullivan it's ovarian cancer

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awareness month all throughout the month

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of February and that's an annual thing I

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imagine yes it happens every year and a

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lot of different activities uh go on in

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the month and then it often culminates

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in like a big morning tea fundraiser and

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various other things like the white

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shirt campaign that

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um you know witchery runs so there's

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it's a busy month now listeners are you

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will certainly remember Dr Siobhan we've

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had some adventures together you and I

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and Maynard looking for ghosts or

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looking for places for you to haunt and

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you re you did reach some some goals you

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were hoping to reach a big birthday I

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think yes I have um ovarian cancer I was

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diagnosed at stage three which is very

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common most women diagnosed stage three

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or four because it's very hard to tell

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if you've got the disease and I was

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diagnosed at stage three in August 2020.

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2020 right now yeah I don't respond to

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chemotherapy so it's as you can imagine

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it's very hard to treat people we don't

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respond to chemotherapy and I also had a

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stroke during my surgery to remove the

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cancer and so that rules out operating

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on me again so the treating teams have

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really had

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both hands tied behind their back and

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people in my situation are normally

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given 12 months to live but I'm here

509
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talking to you two and a half years

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later and I've still got a little bit of

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time left I'm in outpatient palliative

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care but I look very healthy I feel good

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most of the time but I probably will die

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fairly soon and then I fully intend to

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haunt people yes I hope so

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I hope so are you saying that one of the

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things you really hope to do is haunt me

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and me know just come by and visit and

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give us a scare or something

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yeah I'm Gonna Fly all around the world

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and watch everyone on the toilet that's

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gonna be my first haunting priority

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that's your first priority

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yeah why not if you've got the capacity

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at like every other person that's ever

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died since humans evolved to float

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around and just watch everyone sure now

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let's let's

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um look at the serious side because what

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you've been doing ever since you've

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known about your situation is you've

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been very keen to spread the word and so

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hopefully prevent other women from

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um going along the same Journey you have

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has a huge plane flies overhead and the

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cicadas are chirping outside yes it's

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the inner west of Sydney post Cove at

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all when we've got a bit of a moved out

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of all the lockdowns and so yes we're

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back to air airplane noise yet look

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pants uh was slightly more survivable

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than breast cancer in the 70s which is

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when I was born and since then breast

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cancer just as one example has gone to a

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very very high survival rate of

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somewhere around 95 percent of course my

547
00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,799
heart goes out to anyone who is in that

548
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:06,840
five percent that doesn't survive I

549
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,299
would love us to see a day where

550
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:11,940
everyone can survive cancers like that

551
00:23:20,149 --> 00:23:16,500
but ovarian cancer has not had any

552
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:20,159
Improvement at all since the 70s it is

553
00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:23,880
the deadliest gynecological cancer and

554
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:26,760
as I said most people are

555
00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:27,440
um

556
00:23:31,970 --> 00:23:29,940
diagnosed in stage three or four and

557
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:31,980
then depending on the data and how it's

558
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,500
interpreted they have around about a 30

559
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:37,020
chance of getting to five years

560
00:23:44,570 --> 00:23:41,580
so sadly a huge amount of money and

561
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:44,580
investment and interest and research has

562
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:47,520
gone into cancers such as breast and

563
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:50,340
also prostate and of course we've now

564
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:52,799
almost completely eradicated cervical

565
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:55,919
cancer meanwhile ovarian cancer has

566
00:24:03,230 --> 00:24:00,480
languished it is a rare cancer so I

567
00:24:05,690 --> 00:24:03,240
think well how wonderful that we have

568
00:24:09,169 --> 00:24:05,700
been able to generate such Improvement

569
00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,179
for breast cancer because around

570
00:24:13,149 --> 00:24:11,280
um you know 50 000 women in Australia

571
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,159
will be diagnosed with breast cancer

572
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:16,799
this year whereas it will be around 1

573
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:19,799
800 with ovarian cancer so it's a rare

574
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:23,940
cancer but I am of the opinion that we

575
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:26,580
cannot have a situation where some

576
00:24:32,690 --> 00:24:29,340
cancers are imminently survivable and

577
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:32,700
others are basically a death sentence so

578
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:36,960
now is the time for ovarian cancer to

579
00:24:42,770 --> 00:24:39,840
catch up to the other Cancers and to

580
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,780
have much higher survival rates and it

581
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:44,880
is my opinion that there is only one

582
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:46,980
path to that and that is scientific

583
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:48,240
research

584
00:24:56,330 --> 00:24:53,400
very expensive

585
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:56,340
so what I'm doing now with the time that

586
00:25:03,610 --> 00:24:59,700
I have left is encouraging people to

587
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,620
think about remembering ovarian cancer

588
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:06,960
charities in their will or in their

589
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:09,960
estate planning I'm going to personally

590
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,299
leave money to the ovarian cancer

591
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:14,640
Research Foundation which is an

592
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:16,919
Australian organization but there are

593
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:19,799
numerous worthy Charities that are also

594
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:23,460
funding ovarian cancer research and I

595
00:25:28,430 --> 00:25:25,919
know that people's priority will always

596
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,440
be their family when they're thinking

597
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:30,659
about their will but if you're in a

598
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:32,820
position to make a small charitable

599
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:35,820
donation to an organization I'd like to

600
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:37,740
encourage you to think about something

601
00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:41,279
like ovarian cancer research because we

602
00:25:46,130 --> 00:25:43,380
are desperate we have had no

603
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:46,140
breakthroughs in 50 years we are

604
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,020
languishing so far behind the other

605
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,960
Cancers and there are good researchers

606
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,200
ready to go they just need the funds to

607
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,240
undertake the research it's the old

608
00:26:02,510 --> 00:25:59,460
story isn't it the funds are desperately

609
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,520
needed and I I have to really break the

610
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:03,900
mood now because we're looking at Mr

611
00:26:09,250 --> 00:26:07,919
TomTom the cat and he is in the most

612
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:09,260
bizarre

613
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:11,880
lying on his back with his head tilted

614
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:14,279
his legs in the air he doesn't care does

615
00:26:19,549 --> 00:26:16,620
he no what a yoga you actually haven't

616
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:19,559
seen that such a bizarre position it is

617
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:21,779
terribly hot here in Sydney at the

618
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:24,900
moment and so he's now getting maximum

619
00:26:30,409 --> 00:26:28,020
fanage with these very strange positions

620
00:26:33,169 --> 00:26:30,419
that's the classic now what can people

621
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:33,179
do apart from that where should they go

622
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:36,179
online to find out more and just

623
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:38,760
understand how important this is

624
00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:40,919
so the ovarian cancer Research

625
00:26:47,690 --> 00:26:44,100
Foundation ocrf are redesigning their

626
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:47,700
website and they have a section where I

627
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:50,580
discuss my cancer journey and also talk

628
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,159
about the importance of including

629
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,679
ovarian cancer charities in your estate

630
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:58,080
planning or in your will so they can go

631
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,299
and have a look at that but if they just

632
00:27:04,430 --> 00:27:02,940
put ovarian cancer into Google there you

633
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:04,440
know there are plenty of organizations

634
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:06,120
around the world there's some really

635
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:09,679
good websites from the UK from the US

636
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:13,260
and I think the most important thing is

637
00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:16,679
that people be very cognizant of the

638
00:27:20,769 --> 00:27:19,140
signs that they may be suffering from

639
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:20,779
ovarian cancer

640
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:23,940
in my case I was diagnosed at the

641
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:27,000
beginning of August 2020 and while it's

642
00:27:34,010 --> 00:27:30,960
impossible to be entirely sure it's very

643
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,020
likely that on the 1st of January 2020 I

644
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:36,960
didn't have any ovarian cancer so it is

645
00:27:44,269 --> 00:27:40,500
a very fast growing cancer women have to

646
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,279
know what the signs are and sadly women

647
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:46,679
also need to advocate for themselves

648
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,100
when they go to their GP because in many

649
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:52,140
cases they will not have seen ovarian

650
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,059
cancer they will not be thinking about

651
00:27:59,810 --> 00:27:56,880
ovarian cancer it's very common for

652
00:28:03,950 --> 00:27:59,820
women to be misdiagnosed typically with

653
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:03,960
something like irritable bowel or you

654
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,440
know some kind of digestive disorder and

655
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:09,539
so women have to advocate for themselves

656
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,059
sadly even when they go to the doctor

657
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:14,940
there is a blood test that can be done

658
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:17,940
to give you an indication as to whether

659
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:21,179
more investigation is needed and you

660
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:22,559
don't even need to know the name of the

661
00:28:28,970 --> 00:28:25,020
blood test you just ask your doctor but

662
00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:28,980
it is called ca125 it's not a perfect

663
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:31,940
indication of ovarian cancer because

664
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:35,640
that number in your ca125 can be

665
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:38,400
elevated for a range of reasons but it

666
00:28:42,769 --> 00:28:40,440
certainly only gives a hint as to

667
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,779
whether you then need an ultrasound

668
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:44,880
which will confirm the presence or

669
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,059
otherwise of ovarian cancer it's good

670
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:51,059
advice very good advice so oh my

671
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,059
goodness me and I've never seen such a

672
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:58,080
cat Siobhan I I've known you now for

673
00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:59,580
some years because we met when you

674
00:29:03,769 --> 00:29:01,980
started up the Sydney podcasting group

675
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:03,779
and we used to go and have meetings

676
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:06,840
there and talk about podcasting and I'm

677
00:29:10,909 --> 00:29:09,600
still you know secretly or not secretly

678
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,919
at all I'm just so happy that you're

679
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,419
still here for me to come and visit we

680
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,919
can have a chat about these important

681
00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:15,840
issues and

682
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:16,380
um

683
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:19,559
as we Skeptics say fingers crossed I can

684
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:23,700
come back again look I I hope so I've

685
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,200
lived a lot longer than they thought

686
00:29:29,690 --> 00:29:27,600
possible but I'm gonna try to hang in

687
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,700
there a bit longer because I really like

688
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:32,399
being alive and I want to try to stay

689
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:35,159
alive while I can and while I've still

690
00:29:39,769 --> 00:29:37,620
got enough good quality of life which at

691
00:29:45,529 --> 00:29:39,779
the moment I do it's really great Dr

692
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:51,789
foreign

693
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,130
I'm Mick West in my podcast Tales From

694
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:02,399
The Rabbit Hole I have extended

695
00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,720
conversations with people who've been

696
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:06,059
involved in conspiracy culture I do this

697
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:07,620
for a couple of reasons firstly because

698
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,940
it's really interesting these people

699
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:10,620
have great stories about how they fell

700
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:12,419
down the conspiracy theory Rabbit Hole

701
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:14,159
what they did down there and what it was

702
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:16,020
that helped them out sometimes I also

703
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:17,100
talk to people who investigate

704
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,480
conspiracy theories and they have

705
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:20,039
equally fascinating stories from the

706
00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:22,020
other side secondly I want to understand

707
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,640
how best to prevent the spread of

708
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:25,440
conspiracy theorism misinformation which

709
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:27,179
is an increasing problem in a time when

710
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,640
alternative media is exploding the best

711
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,320
way to do this is to communicate

712
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:33,419
effectively with the people involved and

713
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,340
the best way to do that is with a nice

714
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:38,399
long chat check it out Tales From The

715
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,440
foreign

716
00:30:47,450 --> 00:31:07,010
[Music]

717
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:09,470
hello everyone this is Adrienne Hill

718
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:12,120
from Canada happy to be back to read the

719
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:13,919
highlights from the Australian Skeptics

720
00:31:20,210 --> 00:31:17,419
newsletter this is newsletter number

721
00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,220
166. you can subscribe to this

722
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:21,960
newsletter and get it delivered to your

723
00:31:26,810 --> 00:31:24,000
inbox every other week complete with

724
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:26,820
links to all the stories just visit

725
00:31:32,029 --> 00:31:28,120
www.skeptics.com.au

726
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:35,750
but now let's see what Tim Mendham has

727
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,860
for us this week

728
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:39,659
hi all says Tim

729
00:31:45,289 --> 00:31:42,480
a Motley Bunch this time ranging from

730
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,299
investigations into Regulators get on

731
00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:47,520
board with submissions to the

732
00:31:53,690 --> 00:31:50,340
unregulated such as paleo Petes eat

733
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:53,700
nothing pay Lots Retreat via covid

734
00:32:01,149 --> 00:31:56,880
vaccine conspiracies Nancy Pelosi's

735
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:01,159
exorcism and a few things about sex

736
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:04,140
read on Tim

737
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,950
mobile infusion service find almost a

738
00:32:21,230 --> 00:32:18,600
hundred and sixty thousand dollars

739
00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:21,240
the therapeutic Goods Administration or

740
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:25,080
TGA has issued 20 infringement notices

741
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:27,980
totaling 159

742
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:33,059
840 to mode medical which is trading as

743
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,299
drip for Australia

744
00:32:41,870 --> 00:32:38,880
and an executive officer of the company

745
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,880
for alleged unlawful advertising of

746
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:43,679
intravenous infusion products to

747
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,419
Australian consumers on a company

748
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:47,760
website and social media

749
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:51,000
the TGA found that the miraculous

750
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,220
products contained prohibited

751
00:32:58,850 --> 00:32:55,620
representations such as claims regarding

752
00:33:00,190 --> 00:32:58,860
cancer and reference to ingredients that

753
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:00,200
are prescription only

754
00:33:05,930 --> 00:33:03,120
[Music]

755
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:05,940
pele's death linked to vaccine in a

756
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:08,940
ridiculous covid claim

757
00:33:13,210 --> 00:33:12,120
social media users are sharing a claim

758
00:33:16,370 --> 00:33:13,220
that

759
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:16,380
1598 athletes suffered cardiac arrests

760
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:20,820
between 2021 and 2022 which purportedly

761
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,100
represents a huge increase from previous

762
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,880
years many of the posts suggest covid-19

763
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,159
vaccines are to blame

764
00:33:36,009 --> 00:33:32,340
but an AAP fact check shows that the

765
00:33:39,230 --> 00:33:36,019
claim is false quote the

766
00:33:42,250 --> 00:33:39,240
1598 figure is based on a deeply flawed

767
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,260
list of deaths and serious injuries

768
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,120
the list includes numerous people known

769
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:47,100
to have died from causes other than

770
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:50,340
cardiac arrests including soccer Legend

771
00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:53,399
Pele who died in December aged 81 after

772
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:56,519
battling colon cancer Russian athletes

773
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:00,000
Ivan kernbin and Tatiana igoshina who

774
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,000
reportedly died in a speeding car an

775
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:05,700
amateur Runner who fell off a cliff and

776
00:34:13,369 --> 00:34:09,119
a 13 year old boy hit by a train in

777
00:34:14,910 --> 00:34:13,379
Scotland end quote which is terrible on

778
00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,920
so many levels

779
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:17,220
[Music]

780
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:18,540
foreign

781
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,200
audit of TGA management

782
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
the Australian National Audit office

783
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,879
will be examining the therapeutic Goods

784
00:34:31,210 --> 00:34:28,740
administration's Effectiveness in

785
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:31,220
identifying preventing and addressing

786
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,240
non-compliance for unapproved

787
00:34:37,609 --> 00:34:35,879
therapeutic Goods effectiveness

788
00:34:39,649 --> 00:34:37,619
performance audits involve the

789
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,659
independent and objective assessment of

790
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:41,520
the administration of an entity or

791
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:44,879
body's programs policies projects or

792
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,440
activities

793
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,480
they also examine how well

794
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,639
administrative support systems operate

795
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:52,800
members of the public can make

796
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:55,260
submissions until the 30th of April

797
00:35:01,790 --> 00:34:58,200
2023.

798
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,800
GPS debunk Sexual Health myths on social

799
00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,780
media

800
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:05,640
doctors are fighting an uphill battle

801
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:07,560
against misinformation about sexual

802
00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:09,980
health and contraception including

803
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:12,540
yogurt-based thrush remedies

804
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:15,500
quote cancer-causing end quote

805
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,420
contraception and requests for genital

806
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:20,700
surgery as young people increasingly

807
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,760
turn to social media for medical advice

808
00:35:28,609 --> 00:35:26,400
quote influencers are seeing themselves

809
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:28,619
as change makers or social commentators

810
00:35:32,329 --> 00:35:31,079
but they don't realize that the impact

811
00:35:35,329 --> 00:35:32,339
they're having is actually pretty

812
00:35:40,190 --> 00:35:35,339
significant it's so far removed from

813
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:43,849
consensus confirm safety of GM crops and

814
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,930
often safer than organic

815
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,760
[Music]

816
00:35:52,849 --> 00:35:49,920
a paper published in nature scientific

817
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:52,859
reports analyzed over 6 000 published

818
00:35:57,890 --> 00:35:55,500
papers on GMO corn over the past 20

819
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,900
years looking at research focusing on

820
00:36:02,270 --> 00:35:59,599
differences in productivity

821
00:36:05,089 --> 00:36:02,280
toxicological and environmental

822
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,099
differences between GMO and non-GMO corn

823
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:07,920
the analysis which used data from

824
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:11,040
studies conducted worldwide showed that

825
00:36:16,910 --> 00:36:13,380
genetically modified corn crops had

826
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yields 5.6 percent to 24.5 percent

827
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:21,060
higher than non-GMO corn varieties

828
00:36:26,510 --> 00:36:23,579
this contradicts the anti-gmo argument

829
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,520
that GMO corn has not increased crop

830
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:27,599
yields

831
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,359
study also showed that GMO corn crops

832
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:32,400
had statistically significantly lower

833
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,740
levels of mycotoxins

834
00:36:40,609 --> 00:36:37,680
a toxic metabolite from fungi that

835
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:40,619
infect corn crops and as an aside I hope

836
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,260
I said fungi to everyone's liking it

837
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:45,960
could be fungi fungi a whole bunch of

838
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,780
different ways as discussed recently on

839
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,060
the skeptic's guide to the universe so

840
00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:53,520
I'm really aware of how I'm saying this

841
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,020
they showed that there was up to a 36.5

842
00:37:03,170 --> 00:37:00,240
reduction in these mycotoxins in GMO

843
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:03,180
corn crops not only are GMO corn crops

844
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:05,579
fundamentally safe they may also be

845
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,200
safer than conventional corn

846
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:12,480
vaccine misinformation spawns pure blood

847
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,000
movement

848
00:37:21,230 --> 00:37:17,760
covid-19 misinformation has bred a

849
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,240
so-called pure blood movement this

850
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,700
includes a Swiss naturopath who has

851
00:37:28,810 --> 00:37:26,280
started safe blood donation a global

852
00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:28,820
Service that falsely names mRNA

853
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,760
coronavirus vaccines a health threat and

854
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:34,800
seeks to connect unvaccinated blood

855
00:37:40,849 --> 00:37:37,920
donors with recipients the zurich-based

856
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:40,859
nonprofit offers to obtain quote fresh

857
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,040
or canned in quote unvaccinated blood

858
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:46,140
for its patrons according to Safe

859
00:37:50,569 --> 00:37:48,780
blood's website which says it has a

860
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:50,579
presence across Western Europe the

861
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:53,880
United States Canada Australia Asia and

862
00:37:58,910 --> 00:37:55,140
Africa

863
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:58,920
quote the safe blood movement is

864
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,920
absolutely based 100 in anti-vaccine

865
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:04,260
misinformation end quote said Katrine

866
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:07,020
Wallace an epidemiologist and assistant

867
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:08,760
professor at the University of Illinois

868
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,160
Chicago

869
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,040
as with all anti-vaccine misinformation

870
00:38:17,810 --> 00:38:15,839
appealing to people's fears is sadly

871
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:17,820
profitable end quote

872
00:38:24,109 --> 00:38:21,599
the demand to remain pure reaches Beyond

873
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:24,119
blood to social media posts soliciting

874
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,460
sperm from unvaccinated men can

875
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,500
conspiracy theorists speculate online

876
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:31,440
that the previous commodity will be the

877
00:38:38,860 --> 00:38:35,940
quote next Bitcoin end quote as well as

878
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:38,870
breast milk from unvaccinated mothers

879
00:38:46,210 --> 00:38:41,940
[Music]

880
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,220
citizen science and the Paranormal

881
00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:48,900
parapsychologists are suggesting that in

882
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:50,700
the field paranormal investigators

883
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,160
conducting their own citizen science

884
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,560
could help them face the challenges of

885
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:57,440
traditional laboratory-based research

886
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,420
providing quote a more diverse and

887
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,540
representative sample of data end quote

888
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,119
that does require investigators to be

889
00:39:09,650 --> 00:39:08,160
rigorous in their approach to obtaining

890
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,660
evidence of ghosts and hauntings

891
00:39:14,690 --> 00:39:12,240
something which is sadly not always the

892
00:39:17,390 --> 00:39:14,700
case often using all sorts of Technology

893
00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:17,400
incorrectly or interpreting results with

894
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:19,859
a pre-commitment to the existence of the

895
00:39:30,530 --> 00:39:25,910
Ancient Aliens debunked

896
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,540
documentary refutation of the theories

897
00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:32,460
proposed on the History Channel series

898
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,460
called Ancient Aliens it is essentially

899
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:37,619
a point-by-point critique of the quote

900
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,740
ancient astronaut theory end quote which

901
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:43,020
has been proposed by people like Eric

902
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,339
Von daniken and Zechariah sichen the

903
00:39:52,010 --> 00:39:50,040
documentary is not new but it forms the

904
00:39:53,950 --> 00:39:52,020
background to the next Perth Skeptics

905
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,960
meeting on February 15th

906
00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:57,359
[Music]

907
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,820
we are working on the March 2023 issue

908
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,040
of the skeptic meanwhile the December

909
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:04,079
issue is out with great articles on

910
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:05,880
medical misunderstandings the great

911
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,760
conspiracy theory Theory big waves

912
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:11,280
exorcism case studies and the continuing

913
00:40:16,430 --> 00:40:13,619
Hall of Shame of spurious claims and

914
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:16,440
dubious responses you can read the

915
00:40:20,990 --> 00:40:18,540
article on the Hall of Shame as a sample

916
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:21,000
from the December issue if you haven't

917
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,240
subscribed yet now is the time to do so

918
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919
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921
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922
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923
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,820
your existing subscription needs

924
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renewing

925
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learn more about our magazine And

926
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subscribe now

927
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:44,040
items of Interest

928
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:46,859
s struggle to last three minutes in

929
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:53,210
I think I want to go stay there

930
00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:57,599
Ye Old king's head in Chester UK is 401

931
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:00,119
years old and has one room which is said

932
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,640
to be so deeply spooky and ghost-filled

933
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,099
that only experienced paranormal

934
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:07,619
investigators are allowed in wonder how

935
00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:10,680
they determine that guests must sign a

936
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:13,320
disclaimer to enter the room and anyone

937
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,000
who suggests that this might be a

938
00:41:20,990 --> 00:41:17,579
Shameless publicity stunt to promote Ye

939
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:21,000
Olde Pub he is just too cynical

940
00:41:25,220 --> 00:41:24,060
Netflix Supernatural investigation

941
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:25,230
service

942
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:26,880
[Music]

943
00:41:31,550 --> 00:41:28,980
streaming platform Netflix has launched

944
00:41:34,130 --> 00:41:31,560
a new Supernatural investigation service

945
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,140
for concerned Brits who fear their home

946
00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:36,960
is haunted by ghosts this marks the

947
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:39,960
release of a quote Supernatural fantasy

948
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,140
series end quote by Lockwood and Company

949
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,200
and again anyone who suggests that this

950
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:48,359
might be a Shameless publicity stunt to

951
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:51,720
promote the series is just too cynical

952
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,440
exorcism at Nancy Pelosi's home

953
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,119
claims have been made that devout

954
00:42:02,270 --> 00:41:59,280
Catholic and former U.S House Majority

955
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,280
Leader Nancy Pelosi brought in a priest

956
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,560
to perform an exorcism ridding her house

957
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:07,380
of any evil spirits following an alleged

958
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,320
assault on her husband with a hammer

959
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,180
while the attack on her husband at the

960
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:13,680
Home in San Francisco was back in

961
00:42:18,109 --> 00:42:15,960
October it is understood that an

962
00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:18,119
exorcism took place recently due to

963
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:21,540
unrest in the house the claim was

964
00:42:25,550 --> 00:42:23,400
apparently made by Pelosi's daughter

965
00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:25,560
Alexandra

966
00:42:28,609 --> 00:42:27,780
so I learned a new word with this next

967
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:28,619
one

968
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:31,260
sprooks for those listeners also not

969
00:42:36,290 --> 00:42:33,119
familiar with this word it means

970
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:36,300
according to wiktionary.org to promote a

971
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:39,240
thing or idea to another person usually

972
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:42,300
informally now I'm going to use it in a

973
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:43,619
sentence or two

974
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,560
Pete Evans sprook's expensive new

975
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,660
fasting retreat

976
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,359
paleo Pete Evans former celebrity chef

977
00:42:56,690 --> 00:42:53,640
conspiracy theorist and two-time bent

978
00:43:00,890 --> 00:42:56,700
spoon winner has resurfaced online to

979
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:00,900
sprook a pricey new fasting retreat with

980
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,480
guests forking out thousands too you

981
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:05,460
guessed it not eat

982
00:43:11,569 --> 00:43:07,920
a five-day fasting Retreat held in

983
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,579
January had a 2500 Australian dollar

984
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:14,460
price tag and a two-night breath work

985
00:43:20,089 --> 00:43:17,760
Retreat we'll set you back 1500

986
00:43:22,010 --> 00:43:20,099
Australian dollars while guests at a

987
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:22,020
two-night wellness Retreat will need to

988
00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:23,180
Shell out

989
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:25,859
2750 Australian dollars

990
00:43:30,170 --> 00:43:28,500
needless to say his product was

991
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:30,180
instantly mocked online with

992
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:32,040
commentators suggesting that those who

993
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:35,160
pay so much to eat so little might be a

994
00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:40,020
foreign

995
00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:41,480
[Music]

996
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:44,520
Hill from Canada and the city that has

997
00:43:49,609 --> 00:43:46,440
the world's most extensive indoor

998
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,619
walkway downtown called the Plus 15.

999
00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:52,079
name this because the walkway is 15 feet

1000
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:54,780
high it is connected to 130 buildings

1001
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,500
for a total length of 16 kilometers I

1002
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,140
know we Canadians like to mix up our

1003
00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:03,359
measurement units just to ensure you're

1004
00:44:20,050 --> 00:44:05,030
paying attention

1005
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,910
g'day this is

1006
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,000
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

1007
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,460
out more about me at Dr carl.com and get

1008
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:28,560
lots of free stuff there as well

1009
00:44:45,620 --> 00:44:31,090
foreign

1010
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:48,290
[Music]

1011
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:51,090
with Tim Mendham

1012
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,450
hi I'm Tim Mendham I'm executive officer

1013
00:45:03,530 --> 00:45:01,440
of Australian Skeptics Inc and I'm

1014
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,540
editor of our quarterly magazine the

1015
00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:06,240
skeptic and today I'll be reading part

1016
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,579
two from an article called ticks and

1017
00:45:14,030 --> 00:45:10,859
tactics that was published in the March

1018
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:14,040
2022 issue of the magazine which is

1019
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,339
volume 42 number one and eventually

1020
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:18,960
you'll be able to download that for free

1021
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:21,480
from our website but now you've got to

1022
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,160
be a subscriber

1023
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:25,260
in part two we'll be looking at we've

1024
00:45:29,870 --> 00:45:27,300
been looking at Superstition of athletes

1025
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,880
and the of the audiences as well and

1026
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:31,680
whether people believe God helps their

1027
00:45:35,569 --> 00:45:33,960
their team Etc and the little text that

1028
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,579
athletes use

1029
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:37,440
now we'll be looking at some products

1030
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:39,660
and also the activities of a particular

1031
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,300
well-known

1032
00:45:45,710 --> 00:45:43,440
athlete who's probably regarded as top

1033
00:45:46,810 --> 00:45:45,720
of his field and the interesting things

1034
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:46,820
that he does I believe

1035
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:52,370
apart from the superstitions gestures

1036
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,420
and God there is also of course a

1037
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:56,280
panoply of products services and

1038
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:58,560
treatments to enhance Sports Performance

1039
00:46:03,770 --> 00:46:00,780
outside of motivational sports

1040
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:03,780
psychology and illicit drugs in

1041
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:06,180
occasional technical Innovation solid

1042
00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:08,099
Wheels in cycling one-piece swimming

1043
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:10,740
costumes aluminum cricket bats

1044
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:13,319
athletes and especially Elite athletes

1045
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,300
and their coaches have often resorted to

1046
00:46:19,690 --> 00:46:17,220
products and treatments that can be

1047
00:46:22,970 --> 00:46:19,700
described as dodgy if not outright

1048
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:22,980
pseudo-scientific or just plain silly in

1049
00:46:27,770 --> 00:46:26,460
the 2018 article from Vice they say why

1050
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,780
the Olympics are an International

1051
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,000
Festival of sports scientists

1052
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:32,760
journalists Kate says that the Olympics

1053
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,020
are an incredibly high-tech

1054
00:46:38,690 --> 00:46:36,300
scientifically Advanced Affair but

1055
00:46:41,290 --> 00:46:38,700
athletes there are also relying on sign

1056
00:46:44,089 --> 00:46:41,300
3 techniques and therapies to get ahead

1057
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,099
these days when winners can be defined

1058
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,500
by the most minuscule of margins maybe

1059
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:48,420
it's no surprise that they're seizing on

1060
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,180
any advantage perceived or real to

1061
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,240
supercharge their performance in 2012 a

1062
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:56,040
team at Oxford University Center for

1063
00:47:03,050 --> 00:46:59,040
evidence-based medicine examined 431

1064
00:47:05,150 --> 00:47:03,060
claims in 104 sport products adverts and

1065
00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:05,160
found a worrying lack of high quality

1066
00:47:09,790 --> 00:47:07,560
research calling for better studies to

1067
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:09,800
help inform consumers

1068
00:47:14,569 --> 00:47:12,119
these products and services include

1069
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:14,579
cupping Chiropractic spinal manipulation

1070
00:47:20,349 --> 00:47:18,060
nasal strips hologram bracelets oxygen

1071
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:20,359
drinks Reiki

1072
00:47:25,450 --> 00:47:23,640
cryotherapy and kinesiology tape you can

1073
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,460
add to this list IV hydration

1074
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,280
acupuncture icing various vitamins and

1075
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:31,440
supplements and hypnosis

1076
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,300
well this latter has been credited with

1077
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,060
such benefits as reinforcing established

1078
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,160
sporting goals helping to handle

1079
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:39,680
nervousness and Stress Management

1080
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:42,480
eliminated distractions and controlling

1081
00:47:47,930 --> 00:47:44,760
pain sometimes suggestions for its

1082
00:47:50,990 --> 00:47:47,940
efficacy have been on the extreme end

1083
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,000
and I'm using fictional example of using

1084
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:54,060
hypnosis was in the 1967 novel by Hugh

1085
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,000
Atkinson about the Olympic Games simply

1086
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,560
titled the games

1087
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,240
where a young swimmer is put through

1088
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:02,400
sessions of hypnotic suggestions in

1089
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,200
which he is encouraged to imagine a

1090
00:48:08,569 --> 00:48:06,420
shark approaching him in the pool thus

1091
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:08,579
motivating him to swim faster

1092
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:10,500
as it turns out when he imagines the

1093
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:12,540
shark in the actual race he panics

1094
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:15,359
screams shark flowers about goes under

1095
00:48:20,569 --> 00:48:17,660
and basically stays on the same spot

1096
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:20,579
understandably he doesn't win a medal

1097
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,200
of course where there are athletes there

1098
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,240
are coaches in the prevalence of

1099
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:26,579
pseudo-scientific ideas and neural myths

1100
00:48:32,210 --> 00:48:28,920
among Sports coaches published in the

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frontiers of psychology in May 2018. the

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authors say that it is apparent that a

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relatively large percentage of coaches

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base aspects of their coaching practice

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are neurone myths and other

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pseudoscientific ideas

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they're going to say that a new industry

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has emerged that mimics many of The

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Superficial aspects of genuine

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Neuroscience such as frequent use of the

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prefixes neuro and psycho but that often

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fails to adhere to the basic tenets of

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scientific practice including Fair

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testing peer review and accommodating

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existing findings

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there exists a perennial risk of the

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intrusion of dubious claims and

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practices which may limit the

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effectiveness of Applied practice and

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increase the risk of harm to those who

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experience them this risk is

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particularly evident when those claims

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are couched in the language of

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Neuroscience

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the same applies when practices are

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couched in the language of medicine and

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many examples of alternative medicine

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are prevalent among the genuine Sports

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Medicine treatments and products that

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you will find

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perhaps the most famous of athletes

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promoting pseudomedicine is the Serbian

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tennis player Novak Djokovic often

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referred to as novax Djokovic

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Djokovic has been very publicly

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anti-vaccination and he has particularly

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cast out on the dangers of covert and

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conversely promotes the dangers of

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covert vaccines

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it was this stance that led to having

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hit Australian Visa canceled shortly

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prior to the commencement of the 2022

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Australian Open

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and he's being deported for being

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unvaccinated and posing quote a public

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health risk through encouragement of

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anti-vaxxers

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as a point of Interest apparently more

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than 95 percent of the top 100 male and

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female tennis players are vaccinated

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at that time the when Djokovic was

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denied entry to the Australian Open New

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York Times tennis report have been

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Rothenberg tweeted let's not lose sight

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of how wildly anti-science Djokovic has

1156
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:34,140
publicly been for years

1157
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,180
here he was last year preaching about

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00:50:40,970 --> 00:50:38,640
how you can change water with emotion

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naive but maybe there's real

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consequences today can be a reality

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check for his nonsense

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somehow we doubt it the reference to

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changing water concerns djokovic's

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relationship with chervin jafarian an

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anti-science Wellness Guru who is

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believed to be behind djokovic's

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anti-vaccine stance

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the wellness Guru is against militarism

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urbanization carbon combustion mining of

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metals and toxic materials manufacturing

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of chemicals and biological poisons

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which leads to his skepticism of modern

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medicine

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00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:15,480
last year Djokovic was ridiculed for

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discussing with Jafari on a public forum

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how he could alter the composition of

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water and food through the power of

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00:51:26,750 --> 00:51:24,420
positive thinking

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00:51:27,950 --> 00:51:26,760
Djokovic said I've seen people and I

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00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,960
know some people that through

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00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:30,119
energetical transformation through the

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00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:32,339
power of Prayer through the power of

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00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,440
gratitude they managed to turn the most

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00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:36,660
toxic food or the most polluted water

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00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:39,780
into the most healing water

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00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,240
that is because water reacts and

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00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:44,640
scientists have proven that molecules in

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00:51:48,410 --> 00:51:46,740
the water react to our emotions to what

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00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,420
is being said

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00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:51,599
jafarier was reportedly selling bottles

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of Advanced Brain nutrients for 50 U.S

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00:51:58,130 --> 00:51:55,980
at that time

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among djokovic's other activities are

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00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:00,839
visits to the Pyramid of the sun located

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00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:03,780
in the Bosnian Hill town of Ahsoka where

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local businessman Samir was managing

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00:52:10,309 --> 00:52:08,460
claims that the ancient man-made

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structures in the area have healing

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powers

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he has also resorted to spiritual

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teachers and Reiki healers who he says

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00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:17,760
have helped him and his wife to quote

1203
00:52:22,490 --> 00:52:20,339
open our minds even more to understand

1204
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:22,500
how we can have internal conversation

1205
00:52:26,569 --> 00:52:24,359
with ourselves

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00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:26,579
and he's worked with Pepi imaz a coach

1207
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,920
come spiritual guide whose techniques

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00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:30,839
included the power of extremely long

1209
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:32,520
hugs

1210
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:34,680
Djokovic has also extolled the virtues

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00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:37,020
of telekinesis and telepathy and

1212
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,059
referred to gifts from a higher order

1213
00:52:44,809 --> 00:52:42,420
the source the god whatever that allows

1214
00:52:47,329 --> 00:52:44,819
us to understand the higher power and

1215
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,339
higher order in ourselves

1216
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:49,440
well if it's more highly publicized

1217
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,260
links with old Med took place in 2010

1218
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,960
and involved a slice of bread

1219
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,079
he was suffering a recurring shortness

1220
00:53:02,510 --> 00:53:00,000
of breath during matches

1221
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:02,520
on several occasions during matches he

1222
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:04,980
called for medical breaks out of fear he

1223
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:06,480
might collapse

1224
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:09,720
Dr Igor satojevich a Serbian who

1225
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:12,119
describes himself as a specialist in

1226
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,460
energetic medicine was put in touch with

1227
00:53:20,089 --> 00:53:17,220
Djokovic through a mutual friend

1228
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,099
the pair met in Croatia where satojevich

1229
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:23,160
connected djokovic's wrists and foreign

1230
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:26,160
to a biofeedback device designed to

1231
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:28,440
measure stress environmental toxins

1232
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,140
brain waves and food allergies the

1233
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,599
device indicated that Djokovic was

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00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,579
allergic to gluten

1235
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:37,619
the totojovich then made him hold a

1236
00:53:43,150 --> 00:53:40,200
slice of bread against his stomach with

1237
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:43,160
one hand and raise the other in the air

1238
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:45,960
chinjokovic's surprise his arm felt

1239
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,400
appreciably weaker when in close

1240
00:53:51,470 --> 00:53:49,920
proximity to gluten he then pursued a

1241
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:51,480
gluten-free diet

1242
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,720
on a more serious level in 2017 Djokovic

1243
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:56,819
resisted medical intervention surgery

1244
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,460
for a painful elbow you thought

1245
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:01,260
alternative holistic treatment would

1246
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:03,000
work though he eventually underwent

1247
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:06,000
surgery in 2018 and when he awoke he

1248
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,339
said that he cried for three days every

1249
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:10,800
time I thought about what I did I felt

1250
00:54:13,970 --> 00:54:13,020
like I had failed myself he told the UK

1251
00:54:16,370 --> 00:54:13,980
Telegraph

1252
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:16,380
five months later he won Wimbledon and

1253
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,819
by the end of that year was back at

1254
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:20,400
number one in the ratings

1255
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,500
and finally despite his earlier comments

1256
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,720
that covert was not a problem Djokovic

1257
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,359
and his wife held a majority stake in a

1258
00:54:32,589 --> 00:54:30,180
Danish biotech firm working to develop a

1259
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:32,599
treatment for Coronavirus

1260
00:54:37,309 --> 00:54:35,339
is developing a peptide which is

1261
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:37,319
supposed to inhibit the coronavirus from

1262
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,480
infecting a human cell the company

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00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:41,640
expected to launch clinical trials in

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00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,780
the UK in the summer of 2022.

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00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,520
we don't know if I did

1266
00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:50,280
Ivan loncarlovich the CEO of Quant

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00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:52,380
buyers told Reuters the couple acquired

1268
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,980
an 80 stake in June 2020. he declined to

1269
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,839
say how much it cost he stressed that

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00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,400
the firm was working on a treatment not

1271
00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,720
a vaccine

1272
00:55:04,730 --> 00:55:02,880
extreme cases like Djokovic to one side

1273
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:04,740
it is perhaps understandable that

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00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:06,839
high-profile athletes resort to anything

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00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,900
whether supported by science or not to

1276
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:12,000
try to maintain their Cutting Edge in

1277
00:55:15,650 --> 00:55:13,559
competitive performance and the

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00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,660
associated income in terms of prize

1279
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,460
money and sponsorships

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00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:19,680
that is then on your small step for

1281
00:55:24,349 --> 00:55:22,440
athletes on Lower runs to emulate their

1282
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,359
more successful colleagues trying

1283
00:55:28,309 --> 00:55:26,700
similarly varied and valid or invalid

1284
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:28,319
cures treatments products or services

1285
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,319
and from there it's on to the fans who

1286
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,880
are the real victims here

1287
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:34,920
whether the superstitions that ticks the

1288
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:37,260
queues ETC work or whether they are an

1289
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,300
effective Placebo or just totally

1290
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,520
useless the issue is that they are often

1291
00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:43,980
seen as substitutes for Effective health

1292
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:46,800
and fitness regiments something which

1293
00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:49,559
most athletes undertake in any case if

1294
00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:51,180
the Alternatives can be seen as a

1295
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,160
shortcut to success bypassing

1296
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,500
established practices then the influence

1297
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:57,780
of athletes becomes a serious and

1298
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,280
pernicious problem

1299
00:56:03,290 --> 00:56:01,200
For Better or Worse those who are at the

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00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:03,300
Pinnacle of their field expressing the

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00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,520
highest of physical achievement have a

1302
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:07,740
responsibility to more than themselves

1303
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,680
but athletes are Human After All and

1304
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:12,240
perhaps the higher up the latter they go

1305
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,920
the more vulnerable they are to

1306
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:16,260
pseudoscience and more amenable to

1307
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,540
Shanks and quacks and the more everyone

1308
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:21,059
else follows them down whichever hole

1309
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,920
they might go

1310
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:24,900
now that's part two of an article called

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ticks and tactics about Superstition Out

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Sports it was published in the March

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2022 issue of the skeptic magazine

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